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Katie: Good day, and welcome to the “Wellness Mama,” podcast. I’m Katie from wellnessmama.com and wellnesse.com, that’s wellness with an E on the tip. And I’m right here at this time with Dr. Robin Berzin, who’s the founder and CEO of Parsley Well being, which is America’s main holistic medical follow, particularly designed to assist girls overcome persistent situations. And he or she based this firm to assist Individuals fight the rising tide of persistent illness by, actually, customized holistic drugs. And he or she’s additionally the creator of a brand new guide referred to as, “State Change,” which we discuss at this time.


And on this episode, we go into a whole lot of various things, root trigger, useful drugs, why psychological well being struggles aren’t simply in our head, they’ll begin in our our bodies, and the best way to do a self-assessment to get a baseline, the best way to get cheap labs, poor actions versus habits and why the distinction is necessary, why she checks thyroid ranges in each single affected person, why common is just not optimum and the best way to perceive your lab outcomes, why girls have been excluded from medical analysis till 1993 and so lab ranges nonetheless don’t replicate correct ranges for girls due to this, what to learn about metabolic syndrome in blood sugar, the wonderful science of meditation, and a lot extra.


Very sensible episode. She’s a whole lot of enjoyable to speak to, and I do know you’ll get pleasure from this as a lot as I did. So with out additional ado, let’s be a part of Dr. Berzin. Robin, welcome. Thanks a lot for being right here.


Robin: Thanks for having me.


Katie: I really feel like this can be a long-overdue dialog, and I’m so excited we lastly get to talk. And I really feel like a few of your present work is extraordinarily related to our viewers of girls and mothers who’re listening. So I can’t wait to leap in. However for background, for many who aren’t conversant in you, I’d guess many individuals are, however are you able to simply type of give us an summary of your background, and what led you to your present work path into beginning Parsley Well being?


Robin: Yeah. Effectively, thanks for having me. Lengthy overdue, for positive. Excited for this dialog. I’m a mother of three. My youngest is six months. I’m a health care provider. And I’m not solely skilled in inside drugs, type of standard drugs, skilled in New York Metropolis, however I additionally skilled in one thing referred to as useful drugs, which is about attending to the foundation trigger, attending to the why. And people two trainings mixed collectively led me to see that there’s a highly effective want for all of us to have a type of drugs that’s actually holistic, that appears at us as an entire individual, that understands our previous and our childhoods and the trauma that we’ve been by, and the context of our lives and what we’re consuming and the way we’re shifting, and whether or not or not we now have that means and objective, and must issue all of that into our plan for well being and wellness.


And so, all of that type of got here collectively for me, and I began the corporate referred to as Parsley Well being to deliver that type of drugs, the very best of standard major care plus the very best of a extra useful, holistic method collectively, so that you didn’t have to decide on, in order that we may assist lots of people heal, particularly girls, heal from the most typical points we now have at this time, that are the autoimmune, the GI, the psychological well being, the hormone, the fertility, the guts points, the blood sugar points, and that ladies really want a unique type of care. So, that’s why I’m right here.


Katie: I positively had my very own journey with that within the early phases of Hashimoto’s, and making an attempt to get solutions from medical doctors. And a whole lot of the traditional medical doctors checked out every little thing type of in isolation. And the thyroid is its personal type of remoted a part of the physique that wasn’t linked to your intestine, or wasn’t linked to the rest. And it was a journey of plenty of studying for me to uncover that. And I agree with you fully. I feel the very best outcomes occur once we can use the very best of each worlds, and when we now have knowledgeable sufferers, who’re working with suppliers who’re in alignment. I’ve mentioned a whole lot of instances on right here, we’re every our personal major well being care supplier, and we now have duty for our well being, however the very best outcomes occur when we now have a practitioner who understands root trigger, and who is aware of what they’re doing, to information us.


And I do know a few of your latest work, you might be speaking lots in regards to the relationship between persistent sickness and psychological well being. And I do know this, like, that mental-emotional aspect was an ignored piece for me for a very long time. That it was so humorous once I realized it, as a result of it actually was proper there the entire time. However let’s discuss that, as a result of I really feel like that is one thing that we’re beginning to perceive increasingly just lately.


Robin: So, I forgot to additionally point out, I’m the creator of a guide referred to as “State Change,” that got here out just lately, which is all in regards to the bodily boundaries to peak psychological well being. And for therefore many people, we really feel like our psychological well being is in our heads. And but, for many people, our psychological well being is definitely beginning in our our bodies. And in our medical system, actually, psychological well being is its personal division. And the medical doctors who’re centered on psychological well being don’t give attention to the bodily. And the medical doctors centered on the bodily don’t give attention to psychological well being. And that’s not working, as a result of there’s no magic concrete wall between our heads and our our bodies. And what’s taking place in your physique is occurring in your mind, and vice versa.


And once I began Parsley, , I didn’t begin it explicitly as a psychological well being service. It was actually for anybody affected by a persistent situation, a number of persistent situations, or simply signs they couldn’t work out. And what I noticed again and again that was type of magical was that we have been addressing nutrient deficiencies, excessive blood sugar, thyroid points, such as you had, that weren’t recognized, hormone points. Serving to individuals change how they handled their physique throughout the day when it got here to meals or motion, supplementation. And the way, alongside the best way, individuals have been getting off their psych medication, individuals have been feeling higher, individuals have been feeling extra in management. Like, they knew the best way to help themselves when it got here to psychological well being.


And whether or not you have got a household historical past of psychological well being dysfunction or a private historical past of trauma, or whether or not you’re affected by the burnout and persistent fatigue and anxiousness, melancholy that we’ve all lived by for the previous couple years, regardless of the place you fall in that, in case you don’t tackle what’s taking place within the physique, it’s like making an attempt to climb Everest and never attending to base camp. And so, I needed to create a roadmap for individuals to get to base camp, as a result of we now have to seek out our psychological well being, as , over and again and again proper now. It’s not one thing you decide off the psychological well being tree and stroll away with. It’s one thing we now have to domesticate each single day.


Katie: Yeah, and it is smart that that may be a back-and-forth relationship, that our bodily well being impacts psychological well being. Additionally, our psychological well being influences our selections with our bodily well being and vice versa. What are among the mechanisms bodily that may affect psychological well being? Like, I do know we hear in regards to the gut-brain connection, and the way intestine well being can affect psychological well being. And I do know there’s much more to it than that, however simply type of give us an summary of a few of these issues.


Robin: Yeah. , initially, I all the time say you may’t know the place you’re going until the place you’ve been. And I don’t learn about you, however I don’t keep in mind what I had for lunch final Tuesday, not to mention, like, how anxious or foggy or drained I used to be. Or how bloated I used to be, or how a lot my proper knee ached or my left hip ached, , a month or two in the past. And so what we begin off with within the guide, and what we provide at Parsley as effectively, is that this self-assessment. That’s a complete physique symptom rating, and also you give your self a rating. And it’s a quantity, as a result of, once more, we are able to’t keep in mind these items. We acquired an excessive amount of occurring.


And so, whenever you give your self that quantity, and then you definitely begin to make a few of these interventions, you begin to see, “Oh, when my intestine’s actually flaring up, and my bloating and my reflux and my constipation and my fuel are actually dangerous, my mind fog and my complications are actually dangerous too.” And also you begin to join the dots throughout the physique. In order that’s really the place we begin, is that this preliminary evaluation of the place you’re at from a symptom perspective, out of your feminine hormones to your psychological well being, to your intestine well being to your musculoskeletal well being, as a result of it’s all linked.


After which what I like to recommend within the guide once we discuss form of figuring this out can be some testing. And I checklist out the blood work you can take to your common physician, you may see us at Parsley, nationwide or on-line, or you may go to your common physician, be like, “Check these items.” As a result of let’s discuss your Hashimoto’s, proper? Thyroid issues. One in 5 girls will likely be recognized or have a thyroid situation in her lifetime. Most of that’s hypothyroid, so low functioning thyroid versus hyper, or excessive functioning. And when you have got hypothyroid, you get constipation, you get bloating, you get excessive ldl cholesterol, you get weight acquire, you get dry pores and skin, you get exhaustion, and also you get melancholy.


And I can not inform you what number of girls have come to see us and have been placed on an antidepressant or informed they have been depressed, and nobody had examined their thyroid for Hashimoto’s, which is a sort of thyroid, autoimmune-based hypothyroidism, or simply common selection, there’s two sorts. And once we discovered that they simply had a thyroid dysfunction, we may deal with that, and every little thing else cleared up. And so we stroll you thru among the testing. And we are able to discuss extra about this, however your blood sugar, in case your blood sugar is excessive, your mind is infected, you may be anxious. And greater than 50% of Individuals have metabolic syndrome, or dysfunctional potential to handle their very own blood sugar, proper? We eat, like, a, I feel it’s a 94% refined weight loss plan, ultra-refined weight loss plan. That is our flours, our sugars or processed meals. Something that got here in a bag that you just, like, pop open, or crinkles, like, didn’t develop out of the bottom, wasn’t an animal you would acknowledge strolling round.


Like, , these meals are creating irritation within the physique, are creating excessive ranges of blood sugar that we are able to’t management very effectively, as a result of our our bodies weren’t designed to eat these sorts of meals. And none of that is about shaming meals or calling a meals dangerous or good. However it is likely to be impacting your physique in a manner that’s making you’re feeling foggy, anxious, depressed. And so, we stroll by the issues to check for in terms of your thyroid, your feminine hormones, your blood sugar, your adrenals, your coronary heart well being, irritation. And you’ll take that checklist, or like, rip the web page out within the guide and take it to your physician.


After which we additionally, and we are able to get into this, we discuss among the issues that we do each single day. Meals, actions, how we take a look at know-how. Scrolling our social media, final time I checked, is just not serving to anyone out. In terms of psychological well being, and the analysis is de facto there that it doesn’t. It’s really actually depleting our psychological well being. And so, then we discuss within the guide about assessing your signs, assessing your blood work, after which assessing your core actions. And I name them core actions, not habits, as a result of what you eat daily, and whether or not you sit for 11 hours a day, otherwise you rise up and transfer, these issues aren’t habits. Habits, is, like, biting your nails. These issues are, like, core actions which might be defining how you’re feeling.


Katie: I really like that distinction. And to simply go somewhat deeper on a few the belongings you mentioned, as a result of there have been so many good factors you simply made. On the thyroid aspect, I do know, in my expertise, and I don’t have Hashimoto’s now, all my ranges are regular and I don’t have antibodies, so I’m thought of fully Hashimoto’s-free. However once I was within the early phases, I’d go to a health care provider and they’d take a look at issues, and they’d inform me, “Oh, your ranges are regular.” And what I ultimately realized was, A, there appears to be some discrepancy relying on who you’re employed with on what is definitely thought of regular ranges. And sadly, individuals who have thyroid issues are those which might be getting examined that they’re basing the degrees on.


In addition to they didn’t take a look at my antibodies, or they examined, like, two issues, they usually determined these have been regular and didn’t take a look at the rest. And so, that is the factor I really like to elucidate, as a result of in case you suppose you may need a thyroid concern, and your physician’s solely testing a pair variables, they may not really be figuring out an underlying drawback. However I’d love so that you can clarify that higher. Like, what do you take a look at in terms of thyroid?


Robin: So, day one, whenever you come to Parsley, and once I say come, I imply, see us on-line and we order checks, your native LabCorp, Quest, whoever we’re working with, otherwise you’re working with on your insurance coverage. However what we do is we now have a baseline panel, the Parsley baseline, and we take a look at the complete thyroid panel, together with antibodies, as part of that, in each single individual. As a result of that is so underdiagnosed, and it’s rampant. And once we take a look at, , lots of people say, “Effectively, I acquired a TSH performed, and my physician mentioned it was regular.” Effectively, initially, oftentimes, I’ll see individuals are available in with TSHs of 4 and 5, their physician mentioned, “Ah, that’s okay, it’s borderline.”


And there’s a distinction between regular and optimum. And we now have to grasp that the reference ranges, the ranges of regular on our lab checks, are primarily based on the common of our inhabitants at this time. And our common inhabitants in the US, 60% of individuals have a recognized persistent situation. Forty p.c have two or extra. Tens of thousands and thousands extra have a persistent situation, don’t realize it but, as a result of we take a look at reactively. We wait until you’re feeling horrible after which we take a look at. We don’t proactively take a look at for these items, which is mistaken. We’ve made ourselves up as, I name it a narrative. It’s like a Greek fable. Bear in mind the Greek myths from, like, elementary college? I name it a Greek fable that lab testing is pricey. It’s a lie that the labs have pulled over the insurance coverage firms, however testing all this blood work is, like, actually low cost, and it’s getting cheaper daily.


And so we take a look at reactively and we take a look at these averages. And common is just not optimum. And our nation doesn’t really feel good, it feels sick. And ladies are disproportionately, below 65, experiencing the overwhelming majority of the psychological well being points, the GI points, the autoimmune and irritation points, the fertility and hormone points. And ladies have been excluded from medical analysis till 1993. And so, we now have a very form of problematic set of reference ranges. And so, individuals will come to me and say, “Effectively, my TSH was tremendous.” And I’ll say, “Effectively, I don’t care if it was tremendous. Was it good? And did they take a look at your free T4, free T3, anti-thyroglobulin antibody, anti-TPO?” These are the antibodies.


Antibodies, for everybody, are a part of your immune system that’s actually pure and necessary, and it’s how we struggle off colds and flus, however it might probably go haywire, and it might probably get triggered and assault a part of your personal physique. And 80% of autoimmune illness, which is a few type of antibodies are attacking some a part of your physique, is in girls, for causes that aren’t effectively understood. And Hashimoto’s, which you had and removed, and I wanna hear how you probably did that, as a result of that’s superior, , is de facto, actually frequent. And so, when our antibodies, our immune system, assaults our thyroid, our thyroid’s potential to perform effectively goes down.


We additionally take a look at for nutrient ranges, as a result of, how effectively your thyroid operates and the way effectively these hormones function in your physique additionally will depend on selenium, zinc, vitamin D, which the overwhelming majority of Individuals are poor in, iodine, iron, proper? So we wanna take a look at a few of these different issues that we are able to then appropriate. We additionally take a look at meals allergy symptoms, as a result of gluten, as an illustration, in wheat is usually a massive set off for Hashimoto’s. And for some individuals, not everybody, however some individuals, that may be an issue. So we take a look at all of at the present time one. And it may be an enormous unlock for individuals to essentially perceive not simply what’s “inside the regular vary,” however what is perfect, and optimum for them.


Katie: Yeah, that’s such an necessary level. And I’d like to additionally discuss extra in regards to the blood sugar and the metabolic syndrome factor, as a result of I really feel like this isn’t talked about sufficient, regardless of the overwhelming majority of Individuals having a few of these markers for metabolic syndrome. And the excellent news is, it looks like a whole lot of the issues that may assist affect these are very a lot inside our management. However are you able to type of give us an summary of what are the markers that outline metabolic syndrome, how we are able to use blood sugar to our benefit? I’ve liked utilizing a steady glucose monitor a number of instances to get knowledge alone physique and what it reacts to with totally different meals. And now, like, my fasting glucose is 73 or 74 each single day, and that’s useful knowledge I wouldn’t have recognized if I hadn’t tracked it. So, are you able to give us an summary and a primer on all issues blood sugar and metabolic syndrome?


Robin: Yeah. So, metabolic syndrome is mainly the step earlier than diabetes. And for most individuals, diabetes is kind 2 diabetes, which is the type that we develop by weight loss plan and life-style. So, sitting all day, consuming an excessive amount of sugar. The common American needs to be consuming lower than 25 grams of complete sugar a day, however they’re consuming 75. Oftentimes, one soda has 50 grams. And that’s like throwing a grenade in your digestive tract and watching it explode. That’s the way it feels to the physique whenever you eat one thing like that.


And so, the metabolic syndrome points are actually rampant, and it’s the place your physique’s having a tough time managing your blood sugar. And we have a tendency in drugs to look, once more, reactively, i.e. when it’s somewhat too late, at hemoglobin A1C, which is a measure of whether or not or not you have got diabetes or metabolic syndrome. And in case you’re at 5.7 or above, it’s metabolic syndrome, and 6.5 or above is kind 2 diabetes. And I’m gonna skip kind 1 on the market for proper now. For all of you who’ve kind 1, I hear you, I see you, however we’re gonna discuss kind 2 for a second.


And the fact is that 5.7 being that cutoff is somewhat bit arbitrary, and somewhat bit late. And I don’t wish to see a hemoglobin A1C of even 5.4, or 5.5, as a result of it tells me we’re on our manner. However once more, these are regular ranges. And what the A1C marker doesn’t do is inform you in case you’re in your manner. And so what we take a look at at Parsley is fasting insulin and fasting glucose, that are early markers. And we wanna see that fasting insulin, ideally, effectively on, round 2 or undetectable, however positively effectively below 10. And we wanna see our fasting glucose, that means very first thing within the morning, haven’t eaten something, what’s that blood sugar stage? We wanna see that round 80, 70s and 80s. We don’t wanna see it too low. Like, 50 is just not good. So don’t preserve…it’s not like golf, the place you simply wish to preserve taking place.


However we wanna see it round 70s and 80s. And you wouldn’t consider the individuals who suppose that they’re Mr. and Mrs. Wholesome, consuming all the correct issues, shifting, who’ve a fasting glucose of, like, 95, 100. And that tells us that our physique’s having bother managing blood sugar. And when blood sugar is perpetually excessive, your insulin goes up, you begin storing extra fats, particularly across the stomach. You begin getting extra irritation and immune dysfunction within the physique, your testosterone goes up. So, polycystic ovarian syndrome, which is de facto simply, not a illness, however a syndrome, is the primary explanation for fertility troubles at this time, after age. And that’s largely a metabolic concern. So, our blood sugar impacts our hormones, and our blood sugar additionally affect our brains and our anxiousness ranges. And it’s one thing that we have to be much more proactive about.


Katie: And I really like your use of the phrase, like, the core actions versus habits. I feel that’s a really…and it additionally speaks to us having extra management over it. And it appears extra enjoyable than simply habits. I’d love so that you can discuss among the perhaps destructive ones that we now have, which might be probably the most negatively impactful, and likewise among the constructive ones we are able to construct which might be gonna be type of 80/20 finest issues we are able to do.


Robin: So, we dwell actually totally different lives at this time, proper? I imply, I take into consideration myself as a child within the ’80s, after which what my youngsters live as little ones, like my five-year-old at this time, and simply what a unique world it’s. And I feel typically we now have to take a step again for ourselves and acknowledge that. We’re, like, battling by the day. Be the mother, do the work, get by all of it, proper, get to mattress, have a social life, do your job, like… And typically I feel we neglect that the best way which we’re dwelling all day, daily has been radically reworked up to now few many years. And that’s placing a stage of strain on us that I feel that we’re cracking below.


So once we discuss in regards to the lives we’re dwelling and the rampant burnout and melancholy and anxiousness that many people are experiencing, we additionally should keep in mind that that isn’t simply coming from inside. It’s coming from exterior. However to your level, we do have management over it. So, the largest ones are what we eat, how we transfer, and our relationship with know-how, which aren’t habits, once more, as a result of these dominate our waking life.


And so, on the meals aspect, we talked about sugar, and refined and processed meals. If you happen to take away these meals out of your weight loss plan, and likewise do away with the omega-6 fat, these are the canola oils, vegetable oils, grapeseed, rapeseed oils. We’re presupposed to eat a couple of four-to-one ratio of omega-6s to omega-3s. That’s what’s wholesome for our physique. Common individual’s consuming 26 to 1. As a result of all these vegetable oils are in all of the processed meals and all of the deli bars, and all of the issues that we eat, and they’re interrupting our mind’s potential to make use of the serotonin we now have.


We all the time hear about this, the feel-good hormone, and it’s like, be, why is everybody, , so shy of serotonin at this time? Effectively, a part of it’s that we’re consuming meals that make it unattainable for our brains to make use of the serotonin we now have. So, slicing out these processed meals, cooking your meals, even cooking two out of three meals a day, I do know we’re busy, I do know we gotta seize and go typically. I do it too. However that’s the primary factor you are able to do.


And once more, what you place in your mouth daily is data for each single cell in your physique, and the microbes that dwell in your intestine. And what you eat is impacting how you’re feeling, not 20 years from now, however proper now. And so, I feel for lots of people, that’s a very thrilling wake-up name, and I do know for me it’s cheaper to prepare dinner, and batch prepare dinner, than it’s to eat out and purchase processed meals at this time, as a result of these costs have actually gone up. That’s primary.


The second is we sit, on common, 11 hours a day. We sit on our bottoms. And we now have legs. And we weren’t meant to do this. And the physique is designed to course of feelings by motion. The physique is designed to course of our feelings by motion. And so, whenever you sit, these feelings get caught. So, I is likely to be sitting right here proper now considering, “Wow, this can be a actually massive podcast. I’m actually nervous. Katie’s so wonderful, and I needed to satisfy her perpetually.” And I could not even consciously, like, suppose that thought. It might not even form of go throughout the, , the TV display screen in my mind, however I form of have it in a flash. After which I’ve an emotional response to that thought, which is somewhat little bit of concern.


And the second I’ve that emotional response, a wave of neurotransmitters and hormones cascades by my physique, touching each single cell. And that cascade, that wave, takes about 48 hours to clear. So, think about you’re feeling careworn and scared, and offended, and all of the feelings we really feel 1,000,000 instances a day. And also you’re sitting, and also you’re not processing these feelings. That’s how… We discuss feelings getting caught within the physique as if it’s this, like, I’m gonna use an unpopular phrase, however, like, woo-woo factor. And what we discuss within the guide is that it’s very scientifically-backed actuality. And this cascade of neurotransmitters and hormones can in the end affect your cells’ potential to perform, impacts your blood sugar, impacts your immune system, makes it more durable to heal. And that’s how we get weak point and illness over time, proper.


So, feelings translate by the physique, and once we’re shifting, we wash that wave out. And but we sit 11 hours a day. So, getting up and shifting, each single hour, ensuring you’re spending half-hour to an hour a day. Might be strolling, it could possibly be dancing, it could possibly be leaping on a trampoline. I do know, for myself, and I do know from so a lot of our feminine sufferers, like, motion has been hooked up to disgrace, and form of “shoulds,” and the very last thing we’d like as mothers is one other “ought to.” And so, within the guide, I write lots about motion and train. In research, in 95% of sufferers, anxiousness and melancholy improved with common train. And solely 40% to 50% improved with treatment. Doesn’t imply we don’t want the treatment. Medicine is a lovely software, nevertheless it’s not sufficient.


And so, we put train in that manner on the prescription pad, not as a result of it’s about getting match or wanting sizzling. This guide is just not about that. It’s about feeling good, proper now. And these are issues that we are able to do totally free. There’s so many nice exercises on YouTube and Instagram and all of the locations, that I benefit from. So, these are the issues which might be in our management, that may assist us create a state change, a shift in how we really feel, each single day.


Katie: Yeah. And I feel you’re proper. There’s a unique societal expectation now, particularly on girls. And I’ve heard it mentioned, , mothers are anticipated to work like they don’t have youngsters, after which dad or mum like they don’t should work. And we supply a lot greater than we used to. And I really like additionally that you just introduced up the concept that feelings retailer within the physique. Studying “The Physique Retains the Rating” was a very, like, mind-opening for me. And I began to truly perceive issues on a deeper stage once I began making these connections and being attentive to each feelings, and the place I used to be feeling them in my physique.


And I feel you’re proper. It doesn’t should be an intensive course of, usually, to unpack these. It’s, motion is so useful. And for me, it was useful to unpack and have a distinction between, like, train and motion, which I type of outline as nearly like play. Since you’re proper, I feel we now have some destructive societal issues hooked up to train. And it’s like a factor we must always do, and I’d argue there’s even a whole lot of misinformation about the best way we “ought to” do it, and what we do within the health club, that’s not even that efficient. And so, I feel, like, train and power coaching and sprinting, these are necessary issues and people are nice instruments. However motion is a wider class. And simply issues like going exterior, you’re getting all these advantages of daylight and contemporary air and motion.


After which additionally, the concept that we expect we form our surroundings. And we do, however our surroundings additionally shapes us, to your level. And so, if we are able to modify our environments to be extra pleasant to simply motion, like fixed motion versus train, that’s led to my home having, and I’ve talked about this earlier than, however, like, a gymnastics mat within the hallway, and a climbing dangle board within the kitchen, and yoga swings within the child’s room, simply because if it’s there, and it’s in our manner, we have a tendency to make use of it extra.


Robin: Yeah. Completely. Like, take the yoga mat out of the closet and simply lie it down in your ground, so it’s all the time proper there. And, , for me, like, I’m not a health club individual. Like, I’m that one who… I feel I went just lately, as a result of sometimes I’ll go. And the little, , card reader says, “Congratulations. You have been final right here 63 days in the past,” and I’m like, “Oh. Nice.” However, , I love to do yoga, I love to do weight coaching at residence. I like being exterior and being in nature. And so, these are issues that, , make me really feel good. And it has nothing to do with that form of punishment mentality that I feel all of us acquired schooled on in, like, the ’90s one way or the other. The ’90s have been, like, the period of, like, go to the health club, punish your self.


And we now have a lot energy to shift how we really feel in these moments with these little issues. And so, what I’ve actually centered on within the guide was the science of that. As a result of I feel that, , even within the wellness neighborhood, typically there’s somewhat bit dismissiveness of the medical analysis behind these items. And there’s huge dismissiveness of those practices within the medical neighborhood. So I write in regards to the science of meditation. Meditation is confirmed. It’s free. It’s confirmed to rewire your mind, cut back your cortisol, assist your digestion, assist your blood sugar, your hypertension, aid you focus, aid you sleep higher.


And that is all there. It really rebuilds grey matter within the mind, that the social media and information feeds that we stare in any respect day are depleting. These instruments are literally negatively reworking the construction of your mind. And meditation is, like, constructing within the different path, and forming new connections. Train helps your mind kind new connections. Meditation does as effectively. And so, , within the medical neighborhood, we’re not utilizing a few of these confirmed instruments. And so what’s actually enjoyable, for me, , I do know the analysis and I’ve learn the analysis, nevertheless it was actually enjoyable within the guide to dive in and say, “All proper, let me return and, like, reread and revisit a few of these research.” And simply, even I used to be blown away over again by how compelling the analysis is behind train for psychological well being, meditation, diet. And, , diet is the primary factor on our prescription pad at Parsley. It’s like, it needs to be the primary prescription pad in every single place, due to its energy to rework how we really feel at this time, and the highest persistent situations we’re all dwelling with.


Katie: Yeah, and I really like your level about meals being mainly like chemical inputs into the physique, not simply energy. I feel that was one other destructive aspect impact of the ’90s and the limiting energy. And there have been, in fact, well-talked-about destructive uncomfortable side effects of weight loss plan tradition on girls, and the connection we now have with meals, and, like, having concern or guilt or disgrace associated to meals. For me, it was useful to shift to a mindset of how, like, what’s probably the most nourishment per calorie or per quantity that I can get for a meals? Not, like, what’s the bottom calorie factor I can eat? And that alone helps you keep away from so many processed meals. However what are a few of your dietary tips that you just give girls? As a result of my common take is simply that we’re typically overeating, for girls, usually undereating…however for positive, under-nourishing ourselves. Like, we’re nearly, like, malnourished, even when we’re consuming sufficient energy.


Robin: Sure. We’re overfed and undernourished. And that’s partly as a result of the meals trade has performed a quantity on all of us. I imply, you stroll by the airport, and I simply marvel at, like, the junk, the literal anti meals, the poisonous crap, that’s in every single place. And it’s positioned as simply, like, this can be a regular factor to eat. And also you take a look at the label… I used to be on the airport the opposite day, and I regarded on the label on a inexperienced juice. A inexperienced juice. And it had 50-something grams of sugar in a single little bottle, which is twice as a lot sugar that we must always have in a whole day. And so, we’ve simply been bought one thing that’s mistaken. And in order that’s a part of it, together with the form of inaccurate details about energy.


I’ll put it this manner. A cup of broccoli and a cup of soda, identical quantity, gonna have two very totally different impacts in your physique. Gonna develop totally different microbes in your intestine, gonna have totally different impacts in your blood sugar. One’s gonna create irritation, complications, and a crash. One’s gonna gasoline you and aid you detoxify your hormones by your liver, and preserve you full and satiated. And so, for us, a minimum of in our consuming philosophy round psychological well being and bodily well being, it’s round, we name it plant-based paleo, which doesn’t imply you can’t have animal merchandise. However it’s specializing in crops, entire meals, greens you can acknowledge. They’re not pulverized right into a cookie, cracker, bar, pretzel, one thing. , I see all these, like, cauliflower pretzels now. Even I, like, I purchased this, proper, on the well being meals retailer for my youngsters, and I’m like, “That is nonetheless junk meals. That is nonetheless, like, processed grossness.” It’s not a cauliflower, individuals. It’s a pretzel. Let’s, like, personal it.


However, , and so, consuming these entire meals, lean protein, fish. On the lookout for well-sourced animal protein can be so necessary, not the manufacturing facility farmed stuff. And in case you can, if it’s doable, if it’s not doable in your funds, then consuming some type of protein is manner higher than consuming any type of sugar. And for lots of people, not everyone, however being gluten-free and dairy-free might be actually instructive. And I say instructive as a result of these meals are usually not dangerous or good. We’ve made it very binary, and I don’t love that a part of the area.


Dairy is usually a lovely meals for some individuals. Dairy can style actually good, and be actually well-sourced, and be the supply of allergy symptoms, sinus infections, bronchial asthma, zits, eczema, digestive issues, and be a very problematic meals for different individuals. Wheat, and gluten, which is the protein in wheat, is usually a actually massive autoimmune set off, and even a psychological well being set off for some individuals. It’s a set off for mind fog, and complications, and irritability. And so, individuals take gluten out of their lives for 3 or 4 weeks and are like, “Oh my god. My digestion feels precisely prefer it did earlier than. I don’t have any digestive points with gluten, however man, my head feels clear. And I don’t have my migraines anymore.”


And so, eradicating the refined and processed meals, getting these omega-3s, like your olive oil, your walnuts, your small fish, like your herring, sardines. After which, actually specializing in testing if, three, 4 weeks of no gluten, no dairy impacts you. As a result of if it does, it’s placing you within the driver’s seat round which meals are making you’re feeling good or dangerous on a given day. After which you may select. Like, at this time is likely to be pizza day, and that’s superior. However daily received’t be pizza day, as a result of you understand how pizza makes you’re feeling.


Katie: Yeah, and I feel you introduced up one other good level about protein. As a result of one of many different uncomfortable side effects of us consuming this very processed meals and carb-rich weight loss plan is, I discovered a minimum of, many individuals are usually not getting sufficient protein, or a minimum of this was definitely true for me. I assumed I used to be, after which once I really began monitoring what I used to be consuming, I noticed I’m not getting sufficient protein, particularly with the quantity of power coaching I’m doing. And switching to extra protein and much more, like, fibers, greens, I’ve days the place I’m like, “Oh my gosh. I’ve to eat a lot meals.” However my physique has a lot vitality and I’m so nourished, that it was, like, a shift out of that deprivation type of weight loss plan mindset that I had had for therefore lengthy.


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I’m additionally curious your tackle dietary supplements, as a result of definitely, this can be a subject with many, many opinions. And everyone’s, in fact, going to be very bio-individual, and there’s personalization right here. However it looks like there are additionally some classes the place, typically, as a inhabitants, we are likely to not…it’s more durable to get a few of these sure vitamins due to the meals provide being what it’s. What’s your recommendation to individuals on dietary supplements?


Robin: Yeah. So, , dietary supplements, I really like that you just introduced that up, like, get vilified. Like, “They’re ineffective and simply make your pee actually costly,” or, “They’re actually harmful,” or… And I’m like, it’s actually onerous for one thing to be actually each actually harmful and actually, like, ineffective on the identical time. So, , most medical suppliers are usually not supplement-literate. And we’re, and dietary supplements is usually a actually highly effective software. Most dietary supplements on the shelf are ineffective, as a result of it’s a poorly-regulated trade, and so, I see individuals… I keep in mind being at, like, a well being meals grocery retailer in LA years in the past. And this lady was standing, taking a look at this, like, wall of dietary supplements, and every little thing mentioned hormone this and hormone that. And there was most likely, like, a 19-year-old, like, store employee man, and she or he’s taking a look at him and she or he’s like, “It’s my hormones. Which factor ought to I take?” And he’s like, “I feel that one will work.” And I used to be simply standing there, like, biting my nails, like, “No, no. Oh, God, don’t do it,” proper.


So, there may be a whole lot of ineffective stuff on the market. That mentioned, dietary supplements might be actually highly effective instruments. And the best way I take into consideration them is we’re not utilizing them to appropriate a deficiency, largely. Like, usually, individuals aren’t so poor in vitamin C that they’ll get scurvy, like a sailor from the 1800s. However we aren’t optimum. And we are able to use dietary supplements as therapeutic instruments. So, I’d prescribe magnesium glycinate or magnesium threonate as a very lovely sleep support, or a very lovely anxiety-calming complement. And so, I’m not correcting a magnesium deficiency with that software. I’m utilizing it therapeutically for a psychological well being or sleep objective.


Equally, many individuals like myself, 66% of individuals have some type of an MTHFR genetic variant. Its not a mutation, it’s only a variant. It modifications how we make neurotransmitters like serotonin, dopamine, norepinephrine. And so, a daily B vitamin doesn’t work for me. However once I take, or my sufferers who’ve this variant, take a methylated B vitamin, methylated B12, or 5-MTHF, which is methylated folate, or ideally each, you make extra serotonin, dopamine, norepinephrine, and it may be a really massive temper enhancer.


Now, it’s not like a Xanax. You possibly can’t take it as soon as. You gotta take it daily. And that’s the place I additionally see individuals go mistaken. They acquired all these dietary supplements on the kitchen counter, they usually’re, like, mendacity there. And so they’re like, “Effectively, some days I take somewhat of this, and a few days I take somewhat…” And I’m like, that’s… It’s like taking 1 / 4 of an antibiotic and questioning why your sinus an infection doesn’t go away, proper? It’s not gonna work. So, you gotta take them often.


And so, within the guide, I write about among the core, type of kick starter dietary supplements, like magnesium glycinate, like methylated B nutritional vitamins, which many individuals, many, many, many individuals profit from. Like a probiotic, to assist shift our intestine micro organism, as a result of our intestine micro organism are literally serving to form which neurotransmitters are lively in our brains. Like omega-3 fat, so we are able to shift that stability I spoke about earlier away from these vegetable oils and in the direction of these omega-3s that actually feed our brains. Our brains are made from fats. Our brains are about 70% made from fats. So getting these wholesome fat in might be actually useful, additionally, when it comes to reducing irritation. After which, vitamin D.


Most individuals are decrease in vitamin D. If you happen to spend an hour a day exterior completely bare, then extra energy to you. Like, you is probably not low in vitamin D. However most of us have gotten the hat and the sunscreen and the garments. And we’ve been educated that, , the solar is, like, harmful. Which it’s not, however, , inside cause. So, vitamin D deficiency, which the vast majority of Individuals have some type of, it might probably masks as melancholy. And so we advocate vitamin D3 K2. So, a few of these…these are among the fundamentals. After which there’s a whole lot of others the place you may get somewhat bit fancy.


Katie: Yeah. That’s such an necessary factor, that distinction between it’s not nearly deficiency. Like, we’re not simply making an attempt to get into, like, not really clinically poor in one thing, that a few of these are instruments to get into extra optimum vary. And a minimum of from what I’ve learn, there’s issues like, as an illustration, that it’s troublesome to check for magnesium ranges, as an illustration. And the checks might be considerably unreliable, or simply complicated, I feel. And, like, I’ve learn that not a whole lot of magnesium is definitely saved within the blood, so blood checks are type of not essentially a very good marker of that, whereas most individuals are usually low on magnesium anyway, and it’s not one which’s usually harmful to take. So it’s type of, to me, that’s, like, a fantastic insurance coverage coverage. Like, I take magnesium on a regular basis.


And I’m… Vitamin D as effectively, I’ve seen or not it’s life-changing for individuals. I’m am personally a naked-in-the-sun-for-an-hour-a-day kind of individual. However I dwell in an space the place that’s doable. And I understand most individuals don’t essentially have entry to year-round sunshine. However I really feel like each of these additionally level to a different necessary subject, which is sleep. And this may for positive be a fall-down level, particularly for mothers. And it looks like sleep is a lever that completely impacts psychological well being, very instantly, even very acutely. Like, someday of sleep deprivation, we aren’t mentally on our recreation the following day. So, what are among the methods we are able to help sleep throughout the day, like, these core actions we are able to construct?


Robin: Sleep is such a tricky one, proper? I really feel prefer it’s a tricky one for all of us. And I do know, like, I’ve a six-month-old. I do know you probably have little ones, you’re similar to, “Nice, thanks. Thanks for the newsflash that I needs to be sleeping extra,” . However inside that, what you may give attention to is high quality sleep, as a result of high quality issues simply as a lot as amount. And so, that may imply every little thing for ensuring… , I dwell in New York Metropolis, and I dwell below a big rock referred to as youngsters and work, so I barely see the sunshine of day a whole lot of the time. And that’s my actuality. I want I’m like gonna transfer right down to the place you reside, so we are able to change that, or I’m right here in Austin proper now, and I’m like, “Ooh. Sunshine is wonderful.” However again to sleep, getting exterior within the morning, and getting publicity to sunshine within the morning can really assist actually set that circadian clock, and get your physique type of prepared for what’s a traditional day.


After which, on the flip aspect, solar setting or night, so, actually dimming the lights, turning down the lights. And I like to recommend a screen-free 30, or 60, ideally, earlier than mattress. So, earlier than mattress is your time to stretch, meditate, learn a hardcover guide, prep lunch or prep meals for the following day, meditate, breathe, take a protracted tub, proper. However it’s not the time to be operating, working, catching up, or scrolling your social media, as a result of that actually impacts our sleep. And we’ve heard lots in regards to the blue gentle emanating from telephones, and now there’s, , apps and stuff you can display screen that blue gentle out. Blue gentle’s a part of it, nevertheless it’s really been proven that it’s simply the pure stimulation of taking a look at TV, or telephone, or pc earlier than mattress, that’s telling your mind it’s time to rev, rev, rev and go, go, go, and then you definitely don’t have high quality sleep.


Chilly, darkish room. I can’t converse to this sufficient. Lots of people are sleeping in a very sizzling area. So, I do know there’s these fancy… My husband acquired one. Like, the mattress covers that cool you down. He loves it. I really feel like I’m sleeping, like, my reptilian mind makes me really feel like I’m sleeping in a shallow pool of chilly water, and I discover it actually disturbing. So, like, to every his or her personal, proper, on these issues. However simply cooling your room down at night time in case you can, to that 65 to 67 diploma Fahrenheit actually impacts your metabolism and your sleep high quality. Darkness. I put on an eye fixed masks. I put on earplugs lots. Like, I don’t have to get up each time the child simply has, like, fuss, fuss, fuss at this level, . He’s not, , within the first couple months anymore. If he’s actually crying, I’ll nonetheless hear him, so it’s okay. However I feel that, , actually setting ourself up for that wholesome sleep.


After which, alcohol, , if I see another wine and mommy meme, I’m gonna lose it. However, like, , we have to be taught constructive strategies of managing our feelings. And on this tradition, we’re taught harmful strategies of managing our feelings. Alcohol, overworking, medication, taking a look at screens, taking a look at media. And it’s okay. Like, I had a cocktail final night time at an occasion. And I’ll have a glass of wine right here and there. However, like, in case you’re consuming extra days than you’re not, your sleep is disruptive, even when it’s a drink or two. And I feel lots of people, particularly girls, don’t understand that they’re consuming somewhat bit greater than I feel they suppose they’re.


And so, actually having a look at that, and I write about that within the guide. And it’s to not say, once more, I nonetheless drink some alcohol periodically. So, in case you can have it as a wholesome a part of your life, then okay, however I feel we have to set clear boundaries round what that really means, as a result of alcohol, in terms of sleep, it impairs your physique’s potential to achieve the decrease resting coronary heart price and decrease core physique temperature that mean you can attain deep sleep and get by extra of these REM cycles that you’ll want to really feel rested the following day. So once I hear, “Effectively, I simply had that one glass of wine at 6:00 or 7:00, and I sleep eight hours, and, , I don’t get why I’m exhausted on a regular basis,” I say, “Effectively, let’s take that one glass of wine at 6:00 or 7:00 or 8:00 to zero on a minimum of 4 nights per week, or take a three-week hiatus and see how you’re feeling.” And other people can see a very massive distinction.


Katie: Yeah, I’m an enormous fan of biking issues. And particularly going off alcohol in spurts for a pair months at a time. Or, like, I like to do, I don’t have to keep away from gluten and dairy anymore, however I discover that if I simply cut back a whole lot of these type of meals, and alcohol, for 2 or three weeks, it’s like a fantastic reset, and I simply actually give attention to intestine well being throughout that point. And that tends to, like… I don’t wanna ever get again into the Hashimoto’s zone, in order that’s type of one among my preemptive issues.


I really like that you just introduced up the display screen time factor as effectively. I feel one of many best issues we may all do for our well being is simply cease participating with the information altogether. However to your level in regards to the stimulation of social media, I’ve these, like, pink gentle filters on my telephone. And I nonetheless don’t wish to get on my telephone at night time, however there was an evening when my staff was like, “Hey, you’ll want to try these items on TikTok,” as a result of we have to begin placing content material on TikTok. And I had by no means been on TikTok, and so I began scrolling by it proper earlier than mattress, and I couldn’t flip my mind off, as a result of it had simply been, like, proven all these hyper-stimulating issues. And it was a horrible night time of sleep.


The identical with alcohol, although. That’s a kind of issues. Carrying a tracker on a regular basis now, it’s like I’ve conclusive knowledge for myself that even one drink, I get a lot much less deep sleep, my HRV is decrease, my resting coronary heart price is up, and I don’t get well. And so, I’ve needed to, similar to you, like, I nonetheless drink every now and then, nevertheless it definitely isn’t an in a single day factor, or I simply don’t get well from exercises and I don’t get good sleep. And it’s not value that trade-off.


And I do know out of your private expertise, while you’re scripting this guide, you had two youngsters already, I consider, after which acquired pregnant along with your third, and are operating an organization, and I’ve been in that zone as effectively. So I’m curious what classes you took for your self, as a result of I do know when I’m deep in analysis, I’m like, “Oh, I logically form of knew this, however I would like to use this.”


Robin: Sure. I imply, hear, I can’t be my very own physician. And I do know all the knowledge, proper? However, like, we are able to learn a weblog put up about private coaching. That doesn’t make us a private coach. I definitely am not outfitted to be a private coach for myself. And, , I not solely want all these reminders, I would like help, proper. And I feel, as mothers, we’re going by a time frame, and also you mentioned it amazingly earlier, like, we’re presupposed to care for our children like we’re not working, and work like we don’t have youngsters. And that turns into actually unattainable. And so, setting boundaries, taking day trip, particularly in a world the place for lots of us, make money working from home, if that’s the place you’re at. Not everyone is. However that may imply type of being all the time on. There’s no clocking out. It’s simply, your work is all the time proper right here on this little field that I’m sitting in entrance of.


And so, setting these boundaries, initially, and setting these calendar invitations. I’m an enormous fan of, like, calendar invitations for myself. I block time daily for yoga on my calendar, that my staff can’t schedule over. I block time within the night sure nights of week, for, like, my self-care time. And I put it on like a gathering. It’s simply as necessary as an investor assembly or a key rent, or no matter else I’m doing. I feel that blocking these issues out and treating your calendar on your life as severely as you deal with your calendar on your day job, if that’s what you’re doing, is de facto essential.


After which, simply actually realizing, like, the place I can push it and the place I can’t. And hear, typically I push it too far, and my physique reveals up and tells me that I pushed it too far, like, energetically, after which I hear. I imply, I’ll inform you the story. Like, it’s actually embarrassing, however final week, I’m right here in Texas for a pair weeks, working distant. I flew early morning to Chicago for the day on Thursday, from Austin, again to Chicago the identical day. Again at 1:00 within the morning. Subsequent morning, I’m an enormous intermittent quicker, works for me, doesn’t work for everyone, however I’m previous breastfeeding and previous being pregnant, and performed having youngsters perpetually, woohoo. So I can, , get again to my biohacking. And I present up at a enterprise lunch, and I acquired dizzy, and I needed to put my head down on the desk, and I informed my husband to return get me.


And it was a kind of days the place it was simply an excessive amount of. And I cleared my calendar, and I simply rested that afternoon. And it was like, I feel typically we push by and push by and push by. And I’m any person who tends to motor, motor, motor, go, go, go. And again to the calendaring and the setting limits, I’ve actually cleared out my calendar for a few days this week, not simply Friday, once I wasn’t feeling effectively. However by this week, as a result of I used to be like, “Oh, I would like to truly get well.” Not like a pair hours on a Friday, however I would like to essentially give myself that point and area. And I feel we as girls simply don’t give ourself that point and area, after which we’re operating on empty. I’ve so many sufferers who’re on youngsters two, three, and by no means type of put the fuel again within the tank between one and two, or between two and three. After which the depletion begins to essentially take over.


And so, an enormous factor that we do, we do a whole lot of preconception optimization, fertility work, serving to girls get pregnant. Supporting their our bodies. They’re nonetheless on their very own in terms of really getting pregnant. We do a whole lot of maternity help, we do a whole lot of postpartum optimization and therapeutic, and, , coping with all of the stuff that’s taking place there, from psychological well being to autoimmune, every little thing. And in that postpartum interval, we actually focus lots on how are you rehabilitating your self and placing fuel again in your tank? As a result of in case you didn’t try this between the final two youngsters, you’re gonna begin to actually run on empty.


And I feel girls don’t get that permission lots. They simply get, , take one other capsule, preserve going. And in some unspecified time in the future, no treatment is gonna change actually taking a timeout and restoring, for, like, weeks at a time. And I’ll prescribe to my sufferers, I’m like, “It’s a must to take a break.” And that’s, like, in your prescription pad, not simply along with your refill.


Katie: Yeah, and that’s I really feel like a tough shift to make, particularly for mothers. And one I’ve needed to be taught the onerous manner as effectively is to place… I now consider it as I’ve scheduled a very powerful issues first on my calendar. And people issues are the issues that give me vitality to do the work. So, earlier than work conferences can go on my schedule, my exercises go on my schedule, household dinners go on my schedule, time with my youngsters goes on my schedule, and people are non-negotiable. And I discovered… I used to be in a behavior for lots of years of type of, like, caretaking, that I’d by no means have thought of not exhibiting up for my youngsters after they wanted me. However I wasn’t exhibiting up for myself, which additionally made me much less in a position to present up for my household. And in order that was a lesson I needed to train myself.


And it’s humorous. I consider a correlation primarily based on what you mentioned of, , I can know lots about private coaching. I’m not a private coach. That’s a fantastic analogy. I additionally consider, like, I’m a doula. I’ve been by a few of pupil midwifery college. And but, once I was in labor, all of that went fully out the window, and I remembered nothing. And I used to be simply, like, despite the fact that if another person was in labor, and after they’re hitting that area of, like, “I can’t do it,” I’d be like, “Oh, you’re nearly there. This implies this and this, and also you’re in transition.” After I’m there, I’m like, “No, that is gonna final perpetually.” And whenever you’re in it, it’s onerous to see the ten,000-foot view, so it’s all the time useful to have these nice sources of steering from exterior, which type of loops again to the preliminary level about work with practitioners who’re your companions, and who you may actually align your targets and transfer towards the place you wanna go.


And as we get very near the tip of our time, I can’t consider how briskly this has blown by, a pair extra questions I like to ask, the primary being if there’s a guide or a lot of books which have profoundly influenced your life, and in that case, what they’re and why?


Robin: I really like “The Energy of Now,” by Eckhart Tolle. And I feel, , we be taught very early in life in our tradition to type of future journey and dwell on the previous, and we don’t discover ways to be right here. And I’m definitely responsible of that. In order that’s one which I come again to time and again and over, that actually shifted my perspective on actuality, that I extremely advocate.


Katie: I really like that one as effectively. I’ll put a hyperlink to that within the present notes at wellnessmama.fm, in fact, with a hyperlink to your guide as effectively. If individuals wish to continue to learn from you or perhaps have particular questions associated to preconception optimization, or postpartum, or any of those subjects we’ve talked about, the place is the very best place to seek out you and continue to learn from you on-line?


Robin: So, parsleyhealth.com. And we now have an superior publication, everybody, with wonderful… I imply, I’m speaking to the content material queen right here, so I don’t even know why ought to I say this. However we now have an incredible publication, all doctor authored and edited, well being coach authored and edited, that provides plenty of step-by-step instruments. You should purchase the guide “State Change,” which is my easy roadmap for locating and re-finding higher psychological well being each single day, in, anyplace books are bought, Amazon and Barnes & Noble and, in fact, all of the locations.


If you happen to’re seeking to simply do, get your symptom rating, and do it on-line, I’d try parsleyhealth.com/insights. Anyone can simply go there and get their symptom rating, and type of start that technique of that first step, which is, I have to know the place I’m proper now with the intention to direct myself to a brand new place. After which it’s @Parsley_Health or @robinberzinmd on all of the socials.


Katie: Superior. These hyperlinks will likely be within the present notes as effectively. And any parting recommendation for the listeners at this time that could possibly be associated to one thing we’ve talked about, or totally unrelated?


Robin: Don’t let good be the enemy of actually good. Simply begin.


Katie: I like it. Effectively, we’ve gotten by a lot at this time. This has been so useful and sensible. I do know you’re a busy mother and a busy physician. I’m very grateful for you being right here at this time and sharing your knowledge with us.


Robin: Oh, my, gosh. I’m so grateful to you. Thanks for all of the work you do, and thanks for having me.


Katie: And thanks as all the time to all of you for listening, and sharing your most precious sources, your time, your vitality, and your consideration with us at this time. We’re each so grateful that you just did, and I hope that you’ll be a part of me once more on the following episode of “The Wellness Mama Podcast.”


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